Muslim countries are, in fact, helping Haiti
First, if you can, give something to help with relief efforts in Haiti -- and if you're donating to a specific charity, consider making an unrestricted donation.
Now: I was wondering how long it would take for American conservatives to blame the Muslim world for its perceived lack of aid to Haiti. Didn't take long: Jamie Allman, a talk radio host from St. Louis, says the Muslim world is "missing" from the list of donors to Haiti. (And I'm sure he isn't the only one to make this claim.)
Allman is lying. We've put together a partial list of donations from Muslim countries -- it's after the jump -- all of it culled from English-language news reports. Allman had access to the same information, if he'd actually bothered to do any research.
Bahrain: The government has donated $1 million to relief efforts.
Jordan: A Jordanian air force plane carrying a military field hospital and 6 tons of food and supplies left Amman on January 14. A second plane carrying Jordanian medics left the following day.
Iran: Iran's Red Crescent society sent 30 tons of humanitarian aid, including food, tents and medicine, on January 16.
Kuwait: Kuwait donated $1 million to relief efforts; the Red Crescent is preparing 100 tons of food, medical supplies, tents and blankets to fly to Haiti.
Lebanon: Lebanon is loading a plane with 25 tons of tents and 3 tons of medical supplies; it leaves tomorrow.
Morocco: Two planes carrying 24 tons of aid left the city of Kenitra on January 16. The Moroccan government has pledged $1 million in aid to Haiti.
Qatar: A Qatari C-17 aircraft loaded with 50 tons of aid left for Port-au-Prince on January 14. The Qatari government also sent a rescue team to set up a field hospital; the Red Crescent will sent another $100,000.
Turkey: Three cargo planes -- carrying search-and-rescue teams, a mobile hospital and aid materials -- left for Haiti on January 16. Another two planes left yesterday. Turkey has also donated $1 million in cash.
United Arab Emirates: The UAE sent two planes loaded with tents, and a team from the UAE's Red Crescent will arrive in the Dominican Republic tomorrow to buy $500,000 worth of supplies and truck them to Haiti. Another 50 tons of emergency supplies will be air-lifted from Abu Dhabi tomorrow.
And these are just the countries in our area of interest -- I didn't include majority-Muslim countries like Indonesia and Malaysia, which have also made contributions. Oh, and the Islamic Society of North America set up a fund for Haiti, too.
(One notable omission from the list: Saudi Arabia hasn't announced a donation yet, which is really inexcusable for a country with that kind of oil reserves.)
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Thanks for covering this.
Islamic Relief is also mobilising in a major way. They had representatives speaking for the media (BBC) and set up a hotline for donating to Haiti. Some of last Friday's sermons collections across the country were dedicated to the country.
Perhaps Allman should instead concentrate on the history of the US involvement in Haiti throughout the last few decades?
Afghanistan also donated $200,000 to Haiti.
Good blog post.
It's about time I see something about this. Took me a few clicks of searching to find this info. Sandra Bullock (sp) donated as much as some of these nations [less airplane tonnage in supplies] - she donated $1 Million by herself. So in spite of this list of Muslim generosity, BIG DEAL.
Most of the Islamic countries are ruled by dictators. Especially the oil rich countries. Which means that the funds are not in the hands of its citizens. I think it would be unfair to criticize the Muslim world for its lack of donations, or in this case the size of donations.
The Haitians are not the only ones suffering form lack of donations, the Muslim citizens of these nations have been suffering for decades under their dedicators and have received little of their own nations wealth.
Let us all be careful and not have a very simplistic view of the world.
Not being 'very' simplistic at all, as you are being insulting. The latter is hardly necessary.
The reality is inescapable.
I was struck by the lack of reporting regarding Muslim nation generosity until I conducted an effort to discover this article. It did not feel right that there would not be any aid from that part of the world at all.
In short, I was glad to find such [generosity], but it is not very impressive.
Dictatorships or not, some of these Muslim nations are filthy rich in oil revenue, and as you suggest, in some cases they don't even help their own people. So you actually helped make my point, which was about government sponsored generosity. My example of Sandra Bullock illustrates an individual's charity that matches or exceeds some of these and other nations' governments. This article was about Muslim nations. But others come to mind, such as India and China. They each originally reported $1M cash donations - plus material. After which China increased their cash outlay to below $5M. They have their own populist problems as well, but are also two of the fastest growing economies today.
To my knowledge, the Saudi Arabian government is totally absent on this issue to date.
These facts and the impression they give is the reality.
Hasan my friend sorry to say that I dont accept your excuse and u can not simply blame the dictators or the leaders of the country. this is a poor excuse, yes the yes Gov donated $100mil, but the people, the Americans donated $135 mil, Corp America donated $275 mil, stars and singers $65 mil, the Hope for Haiti CD raised $55 mil, US red cross 100's of millions, so to use excuse of dictators will not cut it, where are the 1.5 billion muslims? where are the people? please find a new excuse.
What about ISRAEL - I hear they setup a whole hospital in Haiti and sent several thousand personnel.
They did! They set up a field hospital, which is doing extremely good work according to most reports; the "several thousand" statistic is a bit high (considering the U.S. government only has 540 civilians on the ground), but I know there's a team of Israeli doctors and also a search-and-rescue squad.
David, Why are you all worked up? The article here is about refuting claims that Muslims countries haven't donated. So its about listing the Muslim countries that did. What does Israel have to do with this article?
It's as relevant as also telling us that Iceland also donated.
Sure Israel did their job too, and your point.......??
Stop finding division and conflict under every rock, why the irritation? Why the hostility? Chill out man.
Head of UN Mission in Haiti from Tunisia lost his life in the earthquake, he was there contributig long before the cameras started roling.
Gazans, with what little they have after years of Israel brutal siege, are collecting aid for Haiti -
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1143436.html
Islamic Medical Association of North America http://www.imana.org/ sending their medical team to Haiti..alhamdulillah
How nice of the israelis.
For the first time they help a country in need with a field hospital, after they bombed another people to the clay age, while at the same time they deny any kind of medical care to the same 1.5 million people whom they previously bombed, enclosed in a ghetto starved killed, maimed and disgraced.
Hitler used to have this same kind of "generosity".
And let's not even talk about how America handles people effected by natural disasters. Americans themselves are witness to that after Katrina. The fact that they have sent warships and have nothing to deliver, plus 10,000 troops +, shows their intentions clearly.
The same things where said about Venezuela Cuba a few days ago ie Not helping Haiti, when in fact Cuba already had sent doctors and established a field hospital. It is strange that you would bitch about everyone whom you have an interest to wage war against as "Not Helping"
We are all human beings and everybody around the world feels grief for the people of Haiti. well... almost everybody, Pat Robertson the Christian evangelist and Rush Limbaugh being the exception.
And maybe these two ass**ls here Gregg and David who are keeping accounts on behalf of Israel. Don't you have a people to starve morrons?
Sandra Bullock & Wyclef Jean... Anymore stars contributing???
I think it is good that some Muslims are helping but it really does pale in comparison to what Christian organizations are doing. Not to mention what the US is doing. Over the years, I know many Christians who have gone to Haiti to help at their own expense. Indeed thousands upon thousands of Christians have gone. To my recollection, I don't recall anyone hearing or reading that they encountered any Muslims there helping Haitians. I could be wrong but I have never seen much evidence of it. I am not being disrespectful but it is the way it seems to be.
yes, with what little they have ( muslims ) they help out, true that most muslim governments are out to take all the wealth of their own nations, and there are a lot of need to help out some of the poorest nations on earth in that part of the world.
Jordan (one of the poorest nation in ME ) was helping haiti , some of them have been killed in this disaster.
All the countries Islamic or not aiding Haiti populations are not creating humanitarian disasters and torturing other populations on other parts of the globe EXCEPT USA, Israel and Seoudi Arabia. LOGICALLY Us and Israel are thus hypocrits USING the Haiti tragedy to camouflage the mass humanitarian disasters they have been creating in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen... Hence the criminal hue and cries about " muslims not helping haiti" .After the 911 false flag bizzaro world criminals have become the justs and the vistims and victims the criminals.
whatever, don't let the facts get in the way or your rant.
I think it is right to acknowledge the desire on the part of predominantly Muslim nations to help the Haitians in this earthquake. I hope it is understood that humanitarian aid (such as that which many have wished to give to Palestinians) is filtered through the powers that be. Clearly, the US is in charge in Haiti at the moment. I think the politics of the moment are going to permit some countries to participate in relief efforts, but that they have to queue up for it. Some are given precedence (which is makes things agonizingly slow for survivors). Israel got in there fast. I hope that Muslims will be treated fairly too. I've heard a lot of talk about wanting cash rather than "in kind" gifts. This may or may not be government-speak for preferences about who is allowed access to Haiti. I am sure that on some level it is just as corrupt as most things nowadays. I would not be surprised if money donated sometimes lined the pockets of the wrong people. Let's all just hope that the good wishes and high intentions of people are given a chance. I know that low-level religious war is ongoing, but at least at a time like this, isn't it best to trust in God and keep trying to do good, even if frustrated? No time to waste on scoring against enemies, just keep trying to help. Because this kind of thing could happen to any of us.
Pennies for Haiti, Billions for Isreal..
Interesting Article, easy to donate when it's not from your own money.
http://bit.ly/6TtTtf
The Christians are helping? Which religion populated Haiti with slaves in the first place? And has been punishing them ever since after being the ONLY slaves in history to perform a successful revolt?
The Americans are helping? Which nation screwed Haiti by supporting dictators and removed democratically elected leaders in the first place.
Do not be confused; this is all a part of the "Empire's" master plan to rid the world of "surplus mouths."
The Third World is being destroyed so that the rich and greedy of the world will make more money and have more power.
The muslim world have got more than their share of problems to worry about no thanks to America, Israel, and their puppet regimes. I don't fall for these antagonising comments one bit. Muslims have nothing against haitians, but their immediate neighbour (Usa) should spend their money on worthwhile causes insteas of evil and stop stealing the countries resources. I think this is a good time to give it back . Muslims have nothing to prove in this regard. Praise the Lord,to which we will all return.
pipotheplum and No Spin Zone
You are really vile people. It's always the much maligned USA that does the heavy lifting in situations like this. ALWAYS. And of course they're sending the military. Who the hell else is better equipped and capable of doing serious work on a large scale while other countries bask in the glory of sending their lousy million dollar donations and single planeloads of relief supplies?
BTW, I'm not a Yank but, I believe in giving credit where credit is due.
I'm a Canadian who spent 10 years working in the boondocks of Third World countries, so I have some inkling of what Haitians and their rescuers are facing with virtually no infrastructure.
My country has 500 people already on the ground and another 1,000 enroute. Canadian governments and private citizens are contributing more than $100 million to the effort. Even the government of little Newfoundland is putting up a million.
Muslims should be embarrassed by the contributions of oil-rich nations. The UAE especially is showing how tight-assed cheap it is. Disgraceful!
Salamu alaikum great list. One point should also be brought up about how America and France are historically responsible (via colonialism and imperialism) for the poverty in Haiti. The American government has mostly send their military to occupy Haiti; it is not a far off guess to assume the American military wants to set up another Haitian puppet regime (see Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine: Disaster Capitalism").
Also left out of the mainstream US media is how tons of other countries are actually doing way more then America (who just send their military to occupy and control Haiti likely for imperialist wishes) to help Haiti. For three examples tons and tons of Chinese aid and aid workers have been flown from halfway across the world to Haiti, Venezuela send tons of aid and medical specialists to Haiti the first day after the disaster, and most importantly of all the US enemy Socialist Cuba. Socialist Cuba already had 300-400 of their Cuban doctors in place working full time in Haiti before the quake: giving day-to-day medical care to the poor Haitians for free.
http://www.cubaheadlines.com/2010/01/16/19680/more_cuban_doctors_haiti_after_tremor.html
These Cuban doctors set up the first real field hospitals in Port-au-Prince right after the quake and they treated 800+ injured Haitians that first day. Cuba has also sent more medical staff in and in addition to this most of the good native Haitian doctors and medical personnel have themselves been trained and studied in Cuban medical schools for free (mostly at the wonderful ELMA medical school in Cuba). Note that Cuba does all of this despite being much poorer then the US imperialists, and still living under the 50 year US embargo designed by the American government to try to strangle the Cuban revolution.
First of all let me just say that I'm very disappointed with many of the right-wing fundamentalist Christian sites and personalities that have hastily jumped to the conclusion that Muslim countries and Muslim organizations would not help Haiti. As a Christian, I have never once believed that this would be true of Muslims. When fellow human beings are in dire need, truly compassionate people from all religions, races and political affiliations will willingly help.
In the Bible, Jesus told a parable about a Jew who was beaten half to death by bandits. Two fellow Jews, a Levite and a Priest, passed by and did not help. Finally a Samaritan, normally ostracized by Jews, stopped and helped the man as far as he could. So you see, if you truly have compassion, it should not matter what group you belong to. You will just step up to the plate and help in whatever way you can.
Unfortunately, there are many people from various religious, political and racial groups who use this disaster as a way to put rival groups down, making unneeded comparisons about who gave how much or how little. Some of the comments made here reflect this shameful, small-minded behavior. Whether you are Christian or Muslim, American or not, please stop your childish bickering and focus your hearts, minds and prayers on the people of the hour -- the Haitians.
Finally a human being in the political arena,. I am happy to see that there is a chance for humanity. The chance is not by the millions of aide but by showing compassion even to some one you hardly know and being just and sincere in your judgement. We need more people like you my freind, muslims, christians or jews but importantly human beings........ like you.
I wanted to thank you for your time, efforts, and quick respond to the Haiti crisis. I hope we can continue to work together in the near future. On be half of myself and the Haitian Community we would like to Thank You and Your colleagues in the Muslim Countries , for your generosity and compassion. I'll be sure to let the Haitian Community know what Muslim is doing during this time of disaster. I'm not syre hot to get in cantact with each country's from the Myslim coutries to thank them indivisally so i ask my Brothers And Sister's to please past this message aroung for me specially you Gregg Carlstorm.
Sincerely
Naderge Jean-Baptiste
No need of criticising each other. Israel, Muslim. Please let us wrok togethr and help Haitiians. Let us put our diffrences a side.
Thanks to all who have contributed, Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists and on and on. After all, we are human beings sharing a volatile planet called Earth. It is very encouraging to see all of us coming to the aid of those in need regardless of religion color or creed. Generosity is a noble trait, but who gives what and how much is not always important, it is the thought and the desire to help is what counts. God bless all.
I am LDS & live in Utah. I think it also worth noting, when the LDS church sent aid to Haiti, a Muslim charity picked up the cost to ship it. This isn't the first time either. They also picked up the tab to ship supplies to Samoa from the LDS & Catholic churches here in Utah. I appreciate that they don't do this for recognition, but I do think that it is worth noting & think it is rather unfair that generous Mulims don't get proper credit for their help.
Please, people who are sanely civilized,
focus on
"WHERE are our donated dollars and supplies?"
It is a fact that the first arrivals who actually helped and did not brag and talk into the cameras were not Americans. And most of the time Americans are not first there.
It is a fact that:
20-30% of donated monies, supplies, drugs (so called medicine) did not at this time and have not at other times leave this country.
Subversive groups (members of gangs in decision making jobs, groups that "help" load supplies and are not supervised correctly [paid off to turn their heads], even our own governmental employees [our employees ]) grab what they can, i.e. (1) just set that aside so... (2) just put that in my truck and I'll get it there.
All this personal stuff has to stop.
30-40% of all donations do not reach those who actually need them.
The devastated areas "governing body" confiscates, redirects, imposes various questions as to who, what, where, when, how much, etc. and items disappear, seemingly, into thin air between our pockets and the injured victims.
10-20% of all donated goods given to a country after a catastrophe end in the trash. (1) Foods are prohibited except to the "elite", so food rots as it sits and waits for those who will eat it.
(2) Clothes (in bundles) are prohibited for one reason or another, but somehow finds its way into stores, warehouses to be sold at a later date, etc.
So, our concern, at least for a sane, humane civilized group of people (very few humans are truly sane, humane and/or civilized) is not - who did what first - but
(1) did everything that was donated get "there"?
(2) did the whole of an object get there in one piece?
(3) were victims put first or did "what" we wanted first
get put first by SOMEBODY. (Rem: intelligent people do not have their heads buried in the sand. intelligent people KNOW that if anything is done anywhere on earth, it was definately done by a human.)
One thing that is definately NOT needed is celebrities and well known people IN the spotlight of cameras so we cannot SEE what is really going on.
A dilemma for sure. what is needed:
(1) a world wide department that is watched like a hawk
(2) people proven to be honest and trustworthy.
So, that's the challenge to the human race from hope.
Get it together people. Donate 1 hour a month to your elderly neighbor, to your community, to your city, to your county, to your state, to your country, to the world, to the earth, to the solar system, to the galaxy, to the universe.
That is only 11 hours out of ~732 hours. Can you manage it? Will you manage it?
Oh, and by the way, if somebody tells you you are not needed when you volunteer, tell that person that they have to find you a place
because you are one of "we the people" and you will not be pushed aside. hope
I read above that the Christians are the who colonized Haiti and made them suffer. Funny, the arabs there (in Haiti) are the other ones that treat us like crap in Haiti. Christians are the ones helping and Arabs make babies with the haitian women and don't want to marry them because it is degrading to do so for them. Does that mean that all arabs are this way? then don't put criticism like this about Christians
when will we stop comparing and blaming each other for everything? donations, aids and community service are subject to own conscience and compassion. it doesnt need religion but religion induces it. So wat d hell with this muslims not contributing or how much US are contributing etc?
first of all for the ones who blame muslims not contributing to the haitians, do you get your facts right? please dont be a narrow minded person and tell me that you never heard of media censorship? these western controlled media can easily distort reports and give a bad name to Islam. come on stop being so judgemental and ask your self are YOU DOING SOMETHING?
all the the talk in press comparing who give and whose not are bullshit. People who believes in mainstream media are puppets that are mind controlled by their master of puppets. come on. stop finding errors on other people and look at the good side.
still..respect to the governments that give their help and aid.this is a time to reflect not to BLAME!
It is funny that MSNBC made a big deal on how Israel sent relief and how great Israel is, however, failed to mention all the other countries !
So what did Saudi Arabia give? A nation with vast OIL wealth!
They sent a message of condolence to the Haitian government.... Thats it. Disgraceful! And this is the "Home" of Islam. So much for a religion of peace and love.
Saudi Arabia sent aid to the Tsunami victims in Indonesia but only after several weeks and only to Muslim communities.
There are very few Jews in Haiti but Israel still goes into the most affected areas to help.
Israel went into Turkey when it was hit by the earthquake and its a Muslim nation. Just shows you just how willing Israel is to help people regardless of who they are or what they are.
When will all of you monotheist f**ks stop bickering back and fourth? Shut the f**k up and HELP HAITI! Of course, most monotheist "relief funds" come with a vicious string attached, that string being religious conversion.
Haiti is the birthplace of Vodou (Voodoo), a polytheist religion dispised by the Trifecta of Hate (Christianity, Islam, and Judaism). I'm sure that members of these three "religions" can't wait to try and stamp out this unique piece of human culture.
Ever since the year 312 CE (yeah, I said "CE"), Monotheism of one form or another has "converted" millions of innocent pagans, agnostics, and atheists (the latter would be me).
Hopefully, everyone can work together and leave their mentally-challenged religions out of the equation!
haitians used to be slaves in senegal !!!
It is nice to see so many nations pitch in for Haiti. Like some of the rest of you, it is incomrehensible to me that one of the wealthiest nations, Saudi Arabia has done nothing to date, but I don't have to look in their mirror in the mornning. Regardless, what is with all the bickering about religion? This is a human need and as human beings we are all in this together. Do what you can do to help and stop arguing about who helped more.
It IS nice to see the universal outpouring of charity to a country in need.
But the tone of some of the feedback was more or less set by the author of this article. Just go to the top and read the second sentence.
I was surprised to find the article start with negative opinion about anything or anyone, including typical liberal name dropping for lack of anything more substantial to say. It distracts the reader to wonder what was the main point of the piece?
This is still the only bit of news I have seen regarding any contributions from the Muslim world - and governments in particular - to Haiti. There clearly has been next to nothing reported about Muslim charitable giving.
I have no doubt that Muslim Americans have donated on average as much as any other American. And the same is probably true worldwide from all people, relative to their means.
And that is a good thing.
Despite the scattered 'political' criticism of the USA, Israel and France that is spread throughout COMMENTS above, it is no secret that the American government and American public are always the most charitable. As we should be, relative to OUR means.
Still, given the tone of this article, I repeat my basic point:
The list of donations in this article remains relatively unimpressive for reasons stated.
My one concern is that with all the money being donated to these poor and helpless peoples, how much of it will actually make it to them and how much will be diverted to some greedy, money hungry gov't officials bank account. As most of us watch the devastation on the news we have this humanly feeling to give our money to help without considering where our hard earned dollars will travel first before making it to those in Haiti who needed it most. The money worshipers will never give up an opportunity to make a dollar at any ones cost!!!!
arab countries sent aid..after the world noticed they didnt...they really didnt want to. they are arabs in yahoo chat that are saying they should not be helping haiti because they are not muslim and muslims do not help infidals... just saying...
America and France made Haiti poor via imperialism over the last two centuries. The US occupied Haiti, set up puppet regimes (the Duvaliers), created CIA backed death squads (the FRAPH and Emmanuel Constant a CIA agent) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Constant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FRAPH
Also the US just recently back in 2004 overthrew the good nationalist, Socialist democratically elected leader of Haiti, Jean-Bertrand Aristide. A good history of the exploitation of Haiti by the Western imperialists from al-Jazeera: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttqexOlqhWM
Finally, the US only has Pennies for Haiti, but billions for Zionist "Israel": http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/16/blogs/coopscorner/entry6102995.shtml
Also the US spends untold billions of dollars on unjust wars and occupations such as those in Iraq and Afghanistan. For example the recent US "surge" of troops in their occupation of Afghanistan will cost the US $30 billion just this year: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/sending-30-000-us-troops-to-afghanistan-to-c/549049/
Quote- "Our new approach in Afghanistan is likely to cost us roughly USD 30 billion for the military this year, and I'll work closely with Congress to address these costs as we work to bring down our deficit," the US President said.
end quote.
The US has allegedly they will give Haiti "$100 million", once can see this is pennies for the richest country in the world; the US got this rich by stealing Native American land and bringing African slaves that built modern America while they (the African slaves) got nothing but the white man's whip for hundreds of years. Two things to remember about these pennies of alleged "aid"; is the following:
From: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/01/15-6
Quote- The American emergency response, predictably, has focussed primarily, at least in terms of personnel and money, on sending the hugely costly and inefficient US military--a fleet of aircraft and an aircraft carrier--a factor that should be considered when examining that $100 million figure the Obama administration claims is being allocated to emergency aid to Haiti. Considering that the cost of operating an aircraft carrier, including crew, is roughly $2 million a day, just sending a carrier to Port-au-Prince for two weeks accounts for a quarter of the announced American aid effort, and while many of the military personnel sent there will certainly be doing actual aid work, delivering supplies and guarding supplies, many, given America’s long history of brutal military/colonial control of Haiti, will inevitably be spending their time ensuring continued survival and control of the parasitic pro-US political elite in Haiti.
Otherwise, the US has basically ignored the ongoing day-to-day human crisis in Haiti, while Cuba has been doing the yeoman work of providing basic health care.
But that’s not a story that the American corporate media want to tell.
end quote.
And also from: http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/01/why-the-us-owes-haiti-billions/
The US has worked to break Haiti for over 200 years. We owe Haiti. Not charity. We owe Haiti as a matter of justice. Reparations. And not the $100 million promised by President Obama either – that is Powerball money. The US owes Haiti Billions – with a big B.
end quote.
Salamu alaikum
Also one thing I forgot to add is that (like others here in the comments have mentioned) most of the Middle East and Muslim world live under corrupt, wealthy US backed dictatorships that steal the wealth and resources of the people (and do the bidding of the America, Zionist, and other Western imperialists and neo-colonialists, who again prop them up for these reasons). As you have shown Muslim nations have done stuff also, let me quote from the nation of Qatar; From: http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp?section=Local_News&subsection=Qatar+News&month=January2010&file=Local_News2010012023817.xml
Quote- Qatari team continues mission in Haiti
Web posted at: 1/20/2010 2:38:17
Source ::: QNA
Doha: Qatar’s Search and Rescue Team continues its humanitarian mission in Haiti, a week after the country was hit by a strong earthquake that killed, wounded and displaced hundreds of thousands people. Under the directives of the Emir H H Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani and the Heir Apparent H H Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, Qatar’s internal security force (Lekhwiya) left to Haiti last Thursday.
The Qatari rescue team, headed by Captain Mubarak Sherida Al Kaabi, established a field hospital to receive the urgent cases and help picking up bodies and reach those trapped under the rubble.
Captain Al Kaabi said the team has saved a woman found alive and has given her full healthcare. So far, the number of cases have been treated by the team since its arrival reached more than 250 cases suffering from neglected trauma and fractures in addition to some minor surgeries as well as other conditions, Al Kaabi noted.
He stressed that the team (Lekhwiya), will continue its search and rescue operation in the hope of finding more survivors and providing various forms of assistance.
end quote.
So Muslims are helping, and one cannot blame the Muslims for the actions of idiotic Western puppet regimes like the Saudi monarchy that oppresses its own people and serves the interests of the Western imperialists and their oil companies.
What is interesting is the countries who are missing from your list. Where is Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Egypt?
I think it is horrible how many won't accept or show respect for the representatives of countries and organizations came in quickly because that is what they do -- they are there to help, not convert!
Right now, in addition to food and water, the wounded are desparately in need of care. So, I am happy to see that the Arab countries, as well as Israel sent in medical teams and supplies. What is really amazing is to hear about the state of the art field hospital that Israel set up with an imaging dept., operating rooms, ventilator and monitors, oxygen equipment; digital connections with hospitals around the world. It's more than even the US field hospital has; in fact, the US field hosptial has sent their most critical cases to the Israeli hospital. BTW, Israel is not the "butcher" that some of you want to portray the people and military. I lived there for 6 years. The philosophy of the Israelis is to heal the world, and to give as much of their knowledge and technology to anyone who wants to ask for it. This is not the first time that Israel has helped. Israel has done many things for decades for those in need (even the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza), usually under the guise of world or Christian organizations. Israel has even helped or tried to help those in crisis in Muslim-dominated countries. Many times, the governments of those countries denied their assistance, even when Israel could get there faster than any other country! This happened with the 2006 tsunami devastation. Stop making Israel the bad guy, and start reading about all of the wonderful things they do to help improve the rest of the world's problems, even when the governtments or factions of with those same people don't want to see Israel succeed as a legitimate country! Remember, Israel and those believing in Judaism will be around a lot longer than their haters -- just take a good look at history!
For Jill I'm not sure about Syria, Saudi is a pathetic US/Zionist backed dictatorship that steals from their own people and kissed Bush and Cheney! I'm not shocked the Saudi idiots are not helping Haiti when they against steal their own peoples money and serve their US imperialist (and Zionist) masters daily. On Egypt, they are also a US puppet tyrant dictatorship under the tyrant Hosni Mubarak. A good article on this topic from a CBS blog guy (brave guy) http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/16/blogs/coopscorner/entry6102995.shtml
Quote- Pennies for Haiti, Billions for Israel, Egypt
...
But consider this: in fiscal 1998 Haiti received $106 million from the U.S, the No. 9 nation among foreign aid recipients. Ten years later, it didn't even make the top 15 list.
Compare that to the more than $5 billion paid out to Israel and Egypt.
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Same question applies to Egypt. The argument you hear time and again is that U.S. aid has helped avoid destabilization. So what have we received for our investment? Hosni Mubarak has been in charge since Anwar Sadat's assassination in 1981. This is a corrupt and authoritarian regime that physically strong-arms political opponents. Some argue that Egypt would fall to the Islamists and turn rabidly anti-American if we stopped bribing them.
That's probably the best argument why it's a good time to reassess.
end quote.
Despite all of this Egypt is doing the following; from the comment section of that CBS blog article by Mr. Charles Cooper
Quote- 18 January 2010
President Hosni Mubarak gave directives to the Egyptian Government to send an urgent medical relief to Haiti, following the devastating earthquake that hit the country lately and resulted in the death and displacement of thousands of its citizens, as well as the destruction of its infrastructure The Egyptian humanitarian and medical relief will be sent in coordination with the international community's efforts to provide the basic needs for the Haiti victims.
The Spokesman for the Foreign Ministry stated that Foreign Minister, Ahmed Aboul Gheit carried out several calls with a number of his Latin American counterparts to discuss the best and quickest means to deliver the reliefs to Haiti. Also, Aboul Gheit is currently urging Arab countries and the members of the Non-Alignment Movement (currently presided by Egypt) to provide the required instant medical and humanitarian relief to the people of Haiti."
One update Syria did send humanitarian aid to Haiti. From: http://news.brunei.fm/2010/01/21/syria-sends-humanitarian-air-airplane-to-victims-of-haiti-earthquake/
By NAM NEWS NETWORK Jan 21st, 2010
DAMASCUS, Jan 21 (NNN-SANA) — Upon the directives of President Bashar Al-Assad, Syria will send an airplane carrying humanitarian aid including 30 tons of foodstuffs, medicines, tents and clothes to help the victims of the Haiti earthquake.
Minister of State for the Red Crescent Affairs Bashar Al-Shaar said on Wednesday Syria will do its humanitarian duty to help the Haitians and ease their suffering due to the dire consequences of the earthquake which has recently hit the Island.
In a statement to SANA, Al-Shaar expressed hope that the aid will reach the island soon to ease the suffering of the Haitians, who were injured or harmed by the earthquake.
One hugely important thing I just learned about Saudi Arabia and the aid it gives to the UN; I will post from the comment section of an article bashing the Saudis: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2010/01/saudi-arabia-unlike-qatar-iran-and-jordan-kingdom-fails-to-cough-up-haiti-cash.html
Quote- Saudi Arabia is the largest donor in terms of percentage of GDP to Humanitarian Appeal , which is an organization under the UN. So, the UN will take care of spending the money. So, a big portion of the aids sent to Haiti last week by the Humanitarian Appeal was originally donated by Saudi Arabia ...
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So in reality the Saudis have donated, as the UN is donating much money to Haiti, and the largest donor to the UN's humanitarian assistance fund is none other then Saudi Arabia!
know one can blame the Israelis for doing to a people the same thing that's been done to them repeatedly for thousands of years and especially to one of their known enemies. and America has sent forces over there to help with the crowed situation that is to big for the Haitian government and police forces to handle on their own. The people of Haiti are reacting the same as any one of us would in their situation. When there are no supplies and a supplie truck roles up you will try and get as much as you can that is the survival instinct at its best. So Haiti needs the extra security forces.
For Mike, the Palestinians did nothing to the Zionists. The Zionists can blame the Germans if they want, but no the Palestinians. Also actual reports from groups like democracynow: http://www.democracynow.org/
Have shown that there is no real alleged "instability" in Haiti, the people of Haiti are working together and helping each other survive. In fact all these claims of alleged "unrest" or "coming unrest" are eerily similar to what was said about the African-Americans in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. When in fact these Blacks in New Orleans that suffered through Hurricane Katrina were saving themselves and each other as George W. Bush sat around, said "your doin a heckve job Brownie", and Bush sent in military and even Blackwater mercenaries! This is clearly anti-Black racism, and it sadly is very common in many Americans and Westerners even till this day (plus read all the history of slavery, racism, lynchings, etc.) Also I suggest you read the history of what the Western imperialists specifically America and France have done to Haiti over the last two centuries (from the US and France blockading Haiti after successful 1804 slave rebellion, to the US invading and occupying Haiti from 1915 to 1934, from the US backing the "anti-Communist" Duvalier (Papa and Baby Doc) dictatorship and their brutal Tonton Macoute death squads, and the US CIA's role in overthrowing the nationalist elected President Aristide two times (most recently in 2004 under George W. Bush).
With this history in mind Haitians and all free people have a good right to be suspicious when M-16 touting soldiers come into their country, and have attack aircraft waiting offshore. These US army folks have even denied access to airports for hours to foreign aid planes to let more US military in! Very fishy!
All Praise Is Due To Allah, Our dear Prophet Mohammad left us with an obligation to do our best towards man kind. I thank Allah that our Muslims brothers and sisters around the world are carring the banner of true Islam. The Quran says: in Surah 94: ayat 5-8
So, verily with every difficulty There is relief.
Verily: every difficulty There is relief.
Therefore; when thou are free (from thine immidate task)
Still labour hard.
An to the Lord turn all thy attendtion.
PEACE BE UPON ALL...
This is a perfect time for us to understand that no group of people have the market on love and compassion anymore than they do on hate and greed. The anwser to the worlds problems lay in the midst of the healing that is taking place right now if we would only put it to work in the aftermath of destruction. We unfortunately have a horrible track record for doing so, so lets focus on the compassion being radiated at this time. Your God, my God, No God, who cares as long as beauty shines through. I love the way the Lakota Sioux recognize the all powerful as the "Wakan" which simply means the "Great Mystery" which it certainly appears to be. Buddism simply means "to be enlightened" which is what we should all stress to be. With these two concepts we can all take a humble stance in self reflection while understanding whats really motivating the global love supporting Haiti.
Many blessings from our camp to yours, Chipa Wolfe www.rthunder.com
Hasan writes: "Most of the Islamic countries are ruled by dictators. Especially the oil rich countries. Which means that the funds are not in the hands of its citizens. I think it would be unfair to criticize the Muslim world for its lack of donations,"
Unfair? Really? Well, how about we criticize the Muslim world for letting themselves be ruled by dictators? Of course this way they do have that excuse for their lack of generosity.
@ Tom.
Are you serious? "criticize the Muslim world for letting themselves be ruled by dictators" letting themselves? Seriously? I bet you also criticize women for LETTING themselves be raped and you probably criticize blacks for LETTING themselves be enslaved and tortured. How dare these people expect sympathy for their misfortune when they LET that misfortune happen. lol.
Seriously either you just don't have the lexicon necessary to make your point without sounding like an idiot or you have a very skewed view of the world.
In fact, why don't we criticize Jews for LETTING themselves be massacred.
Hypothetically Tom let's say a Muslim country contributed only 0.8% of it's worth. How much of your annual paycheck did you contribute? Or did donating a meager $10 or $20 dollars allow you the moral superiority to criticize anyone who donates less than you think they should.
Let's be honest here okay. The U.S. government didn't donate anything, the taxpayers did, and we are gonna keep paying FOR Haiti every time they take money out of our paychecks.
I make only 96,000 before taxes and I managed to donate 6,000 from my savings, but you don't hear me bitching out at countries that actually dared to make a donation. Did you donate anything? Money? time? resources?
Seriously make sure your own house is in order before you decide to get all high and mighty.
This is the problem with todays world, instead of all pulling together everyone bitches about one another....shame on you
response to Hasan, can we just stop hiding behind our fingers and accept the fact that muslim world is almost absent when it comes to helping kafirs / infidels (none muslims) so lets not blame dictators, where are the muslim people , you dont need to the dictators to donate, the American PEOPLE donated, so please spare us from the excuses, we have heard them all.
Schumacher the formula one champion donated 10 Million USD to the muslim tsunami victims and he is a kafir . imagine all these 1.5 billion muslims and the rich countries like Kuwait, UAE $500,000,Qatar $100,000
3 countries with $1.6 million when 1 kafir donated $10 mil to the muslim world.
This is sad, no excuses.
I am just tired of hearing that America is the Great Satan. Americans give to help people all around the world. The Sunami, the Earthquakes, the Famines, the Plagues, etc., etc. I don't believe in a hateful God. He wants his children to love him and love each other. Any religeon preaching death to anyone who does not believe as they do is the Great Satan. God put us here to help each other find Him, not to kill those who don't agree with us. What is so wrong with all the people today? It makes no sense.
"Nabil" take your lies elsewhere, Saudi Arabia (while still a US puppet dictatorship) just donated $50 million to Haiti: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/25/AR2010012501150.html
Quote- Saudi: Government donates $50 million to Haiti
The Associated Press
Monday, January 25, 2010; 10:02 AM
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia -- Saudi Arabia has donated $50 million in relief to Haiti
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Also we Muslims aren't the one's responsible for Haiti's poverty; that would be the Western imperialists (US and France) for their two centuries of oppression they have inflicted on the freed African (former slaves) of Haiti.
Abdul, no lies here my friend, Saudi Arabia made the announcement today and this site was not even updated, I already updated my blog and the ITF web , if you click on my name and go visit the site, you will see that I already updated the information in the forums section, and while there feel free to read the topics in the forums section, u r also welcome to comment. hey we need smart people like u :)
I may be wrong but, It's all in Allah's hands
I was not originally from the US, but from Vietnam and I can tell you that we all should open our mind to see the problem. Of course, it is easy to blame others for our misery, poverty, and anything else but it is hard to look back and blaming ourselves. You can blame the imperial America for whatever you social problems but why don't you look at your inner circle. I sure can blame the US for devastating Vietnam and the result is Vietnam is still a poor country 35 years after the Vietnam war end but I had to admit that that is not the reason why it is still poor. The reason is we have a very corrupt, greedy, and stupid government that eventually destroyed our country even more. Our life philosophy didn't help neither.
The same thing can be said for Muslim countries too. You blamed that the imperialist put your corrupt government there. Look at Afghannistan after the Soviet was out. What was the government did right after that? start to rebuild the country or try to build peace within the country? No, they started to apply the restricted Islam law to the whole country, eliminate other religions and blowing up its statues. They started to put women behind veil and stoning any one trying to make a desperate living by some not so honor way. What will a mother do to feed her children when the husband died during the war. If you understand a motherhood, you will understand that she would do anything even prostitution. You can blame this to the US anyway you want but that is not true.
The Saud created the Saudi Arab without any influence from the US and they are still a dictator there but no, you don't want to blame your own fellow Muslim, so you go out and blame the outsider.
Iran, an independence country outside the influential of the great Satan. A country was ruled by an absolute power of a religious figure. Do they achieve any better result? No. The corruption, harsh punishment, unrest social political protest, the government shooting innocent citizens and that sure not from the imperialist. A scientist was murder and the government already blaming the US and Israel without any evidence. is it a childist blame for you?
Even, you can acuse whatever to the US but you have to learn from it, a country ruled by law for every citizen and that rules were not based on religious. Until all the Muslim countries put religion out of their politics, then prosperity can be achieved.
And one more thing, stop to shout deat to this one and death to that one. It is just put a worsen image to the world.
"Nguyen" if you are even what you claim, you are an Asian Uncle Tom white-wannabee. The Saudi monarchy was directly funded and armed by the British Empire to be used as a proxy to destroy the Ottoman Empire in the days of WWI. The Saudis later switched patrons after WWII and became an American client state. In this arrangement Saudi would give American oil companies free access and all the oil they wanted, and America would take care of defending the Saudi monarchy (via actually basing in Saudi to attack Saddam's Iraq, or training and arming the puppet Saudi army who often spend their time repressing their own people on American imperialist orders). Also as for Afghanistan the US CIA put all the weapons in Afghanistan to fight the "big bad" Soviets, so stop trying to use anti-Islamic garbage when it was just another case of Western imperialists trying to use a proxy (al-Qaeda, Taliban, Afghani Mujahideen) to fight the "enemy of the time" of the US (the Communist Soviet Union).
Also one great article by an academic refuting all the claims of imperialist apologists like you; http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/jun/28/comment.britishidentity
Quote- Tolerance? The British empire reinforced strict ethnic/religious identities and governed through these divisions. As with the partition of India when 10 million were displaced, arbitrarily drawn boundaries between "tribes" in Africa resulted in massive displacement and bloodshed. Freedom and fair play? In Kenya, a handful of white settlers appropriated 12,000 square miles and pushed 1.25 million native Kikuyus to 2,000 restricted square miles. Resistance was brutally crushed through internment in detention camps, torture and massacres. Some 50,000 Kikuyus were massacred and 300,000 interned to put down the Mau Mau rebellion by peasants who wanted to farm their own land. A thousand peaceful protesters were killed in the Amritsar massacre of 1919.
A collective failure of the imagination now makes it difficult for us to think about the globe before European and American domination. Greed and violence are hardly exclusive to one culture. But colonialism destroyed or strangled possibilities and potential for progress, such as Mughal Emperor Akbar's "sul-e-kul" or "universal good" which underpinned his governance. The scale of European imperialism inaugurated a new chapter in the history of greed which still shapes all our lives. Natural resources - cotton, sugar, teak, rubber, minerals - were plundered in gigantic quantities. The Indian textile industry was the most advanced in the world when the British arrived; within half a century it had been destroyed. The enslaved and indentured (at least 20 million Africans and 1.5 million Indians) were shipped across the globe to work on plantations, mines and railroads. The stupendous profits deriving from this enabled today's developed world to prosper.
The point isn't for Europeans to feel guilt, but a serious consideration of historical responsibility isn't the same thing as a blame game. Forgetting history is tempting but undermines a society's capacity for change.
Wow. I just read through all the posts. What is obvious is that we all have opinions, just like another body part we all have. Do we not all have friends and associates who are not from our world? Don't we love and care about them? Well then, maybe we should all look at the politicos and others with agenda attempting to get all of us to take sides. Remember what the earth looks like from space?
There is no one group that can say that throughout their history they have never done wrong. Philosophies are just that. It's up to us to embrace them. Wouldn't it be a really good thing if we could look at a face in a photo or news item and just see a person who needs help. That it is not about US, but them?
Euorpeans came to the American continent (probably named something else) and terrible things happened to Native americans. But I did not do terrible things to them and never ever would have. It would not have been tolerated by any member of my family. That is not to say, my family is from the southern US, that there aren't plenty of them who do not celebrate Martin Luther King day.
Maybe those in charge really should not be. But don't put me in charge either. Takes more energy than I have.
Abdul,
So when you need US weapon to fight your enemy, the Soviet, then we are friend. When you don't need US any more, it became Satan?
Slave? Don't tell me the Ottoman Empire didn't enslave any. Your Islam society enslaved many more people than you can imagine. Everywhere the Muslim army conquered, people either became Muslim or been kicked out of their hometown or be enslaved. If you read the history well, the US only bought slave from the shipping. As the matter of fact, your Muslim wonderful brother, Morocco was the biggest slave industry of the old time.
Your wonderful in religion Saddam didn't invade Kuwait and ready to invade Saudi and didn't scare the king shitless. Oh wait a minute, he did and let me say it, the US told Saddam to do so.
Please tell me a wonderful story about Iran where they just hang 2 people for oppose the government with a supreme religious leader. It is so freedom overthere. Oh wait here, it is not. Sure, you can blame the US too.
All I am saying that stopping blaming the others and look at you inner system and growing out from it. If you want to blame, I can blame the Ottoman Empire for invaded other countries and murdered so many innocents. I can blame the Morroco for driving the slave. You people are always live in the past and blamed all of your problems to others.
Tell me, how the US are so powerful not today but way before WWI? How the Saudi Arab got so much money from oil that they fund all of Wahabi school around the world, but never achieve any major invention. Do you use computer? that is the western evil invention, not from wonderful Islam country.
Do you hear the Japanese blaming the US for invade their country? Do you hear the European blaming the US for invading their countries after WWII? No they just do whatever they can to enrich their country. The Japanese just suck up and rebuild their country. They didn't go around to spread their Buddhist teaching.
If the US is so evil and the European too, why so many Muslim people try to come to live here?
WAKE UP AND STOP BLAMING THE OTHERS.
Haiti needs OUR help everyone in the world we don't need division and finger pointinng. We need compassion for our hurting brothers and sisters. We need to act like the Samiritan women did when she encountered the bleeding man on the side of the road when his own people wouldn't help . So please WORLD be for humanity as we are all Gods children.
In response to Nguyen. You attempt to make many attacks in your post allow me to respond and refute some of them.
First you speak on the US (CIA), along with the Saudis and the Pakistani ISI intelligence, assisting the Afghan Mujahideen in fighting the Soviet Russian invasion and occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s. You should know in this covert war effort the US armed some of the very people they know claim are their "mortal enemies" like "al-Qaeda" and the Taliban. The Afghani Mujahideen did include people not affiliated with "al-Qaeda" or Taliban elements (like say Ahmad Shah Massoud), but the US "assistance" to the Afghani Mujahideen was not motivated by any US desire to allegedly "help" Afghans: the US had clear realpolitik goals in Afghanistan and that was fighting the "bid, bad" Soviet "Communist menace"! The US did this many times in the "Cold War" see the CIA arming the Contras in Nicaragua and tons of other US imperialist proxies in the "Third World".
Next you attempt to talk about slavery. You bring the Western slave defending (KKK), anti-Muslim "argument" about slavery and claims of "slavery" in the Muslim world. You cite one example first and that is the Ottoman Empire. It is true the Ottoman Empire had systems of "slavery"; but most of these were much more similar to indentured servitude and some of them even offered the "slave" the opportunity to reach high positions and offices in Ottoman society. One of the most famous of these "slave" institutions in the Ottoman Empire was what was called the "Devsirme" system. A simple link with basic info on the Ottoman Devsirme system: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dev%C5%9Firme
This link contains some anti-Islamic lies but gives a basic outline of the sytem. Quote- Devşirme or devshirme was the practice by which the Ottoman Empire conscripted boys from Christian families, who were taken from their families by force, converted to Islam, trained and enrolled in one of the four royal institutions: the Palace, the Scribes, the Religious and the Military.
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Note that many of the most important figures in the Ottoman Empire (officials and such) came from the Devsirme and many of these were officials that were key to ruling the Empire names such as Melek Ahmed Pasha, etc. This is of course not acceptable by modern standards, taking peoples kids and enrolling them to be officials in your empire (without permission) but this is nothing like what happened to the brutalized African slaves in the Americas who faced the white masters whip on the sweltering plantations, etc.
Another example of this "slave" elite in the medieval Muslim world was that of the Mamluk dynasties (like that which ruled Egypt for a time). The Mamluks were "slaves" trained to be elite soldiers that eventually became so powerful they broke off and formed their own dynasty (aka Empire). Info on Mamluks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk
A good Western authors take contrasting elite "slavery" in the Muslim world with the brutal racist slave trade of Africans to the Americas by White Christians in building their nations on the sweat and blood of these brutalized African slaves.
From: http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/slavery_1.shtml#section_4
Quote-
The relationship between slave and master in Islam is a very different relationship from that between the American plantation labourer and owner. It was a much more personalized relationship and relatively benevolent. Everything here is relative -- being a slave is being a slave and it shouldn't be romanticized.
Ronald Segal, interview with Suzy Hansen in Salon magazine, 2001
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Next, you speak of the former Iraqi dictator Saddam al-Baathi. I'm not sure what you were trying to imply, you are correct in that the US was Saddam's backer (against Iran) and then tricked him into invading Kuwait (as the US realized they had made Saddam too strong by arming/training his army to invade and fight Revolutionary Iran, that had just overthrown the US puppet Shah in 1979).
This is clear in the actions of then US ambassador to Iraq: April Glaspie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Glaspie
Quote- Another version of the transcript (the one published in The New York Times on 23 September 1990) has Glaspie saying:
But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.
...
Journalist Edward Mortimer wrote in the New York Review of Books in November 1990:
It seems far more likely that Saddam Hussein went ahead with the invasion because he believed the US would not react with anything more than verbal condemnation. That was an inference he could well have drawn from his meeting with US Ambassador April Glaspie on July 25, and from statements by State Department officials in Washington at the same time publicly disavowing any US security commitments to Kuwait but also from the success of both the Reagan and the Bush administrations in heading off attempts by the US Senate to impose sanctions on Iraq for previous breaches of international law.
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About the Islamic Republic of Iran, you are making many of the same lies and fraudulent insults against Iran so commonly heard in the Western Zionist Jewish owned media. Iran in the last few days executed 2 criminal individuals for crimes of treason and such. These type of laws are also still on US books, one can be executed for treason. The majority of the Iranian people love their government: http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=114977§ionid=351020101
The US, Zionists, and rest of the West are still working hard to arm small dissident terrorist groups like the MKO, PJAK, Jundallah (associated with Taliban and "al-Qaeda"), and others to work as US proxies to try to destabilize the Iranian nation and government. Criminals that riot in the streets like the small group of Western stooge "Green" terrorists will be punished for their criminal activities like burning cars and such. The US and West do the same to anyone who riots and does petty crimes like burning public property in riots (i.e. arrest and punish them under the law just like Iran).
Then you attempt to claim Muslim nations of the past like the Ottomans allegedly "invaded tons of people". This is an out and out lie, the Ottomans did have wars and fights with rival empires like the Christian Byzantine Empire and others, but there were no alleged "huge killings" most people were not effected. And in reality many groups such as Jews and sects of "unorthodox" Eastern Christians (who were not accepted by the official Western Christian churches) often preferred to live in Muslim lands (like the Ottoman Empire) were they were allowed to practice their form of Christianity without the official Western churches banning them as "heretics". As for your claim about Morocco and alleged "slavery" I've never heard this before.
Also as I showed your before at this link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/jun/28/comment.britishidentity
The Western imperialist nations built themselves on the backs of the poor African slaves and by stealing the sovereign national resources of the oppressed people of the modern day "Third World".
As for claims you bring up about Europe and Japan. Europe is not a good case because (along with not having much resources to steal) Europeans are whites just like the Americans (whose white ruling classes are all descendants of white European immigrants) so there is not the racism that whites have shown to non-whites (such as Africans, Arabs, Latinos, etc.)
Then as regards to Japan read this is a very interesting link: http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=176085§ioncode=26
Quote- "Perhaps most important, Japan had no resources," he says. "The Americans in Japan were freed of any outside meddling and from the appearance of exploitation. That is not the case in Iraq, and I think that could be our downfall." He notes that corporations close to the US administration have already been awarded multimillion-dollar contracts for work in Iraq, fuelling the suspicions held by some that the war was about oil.
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Japan also had no real resources to be taken, so the US just made sure Japan would never have a military to threaten US global hegemony (militarily) again. For good information on the history Japan facing Western imperialism (before WWII) read these links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_Matthew_Perry
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/91361 (on the US cutting off Japan's oil supply, prompting Japan to attack Pearl Harbor)
And finally regarding your claims about "inventions" and such. First Saudi Arabia's government is a corrupt US backed dictatorship (that steals the money from their own Saudi people). This is why Saudi doesn't do anything useful. However, even the corrupt Saudi dictatorship is doing some stuff read about the "King Abdullah University of Science and Technology" (KAUST)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Abdullah_University_of_Science_and_Technology
http://www.kaust.edu.sa/
Also why don't you read about all the greatness of Islamic civilization that was passed onto the Europe via al-Andalus (Islamic Spain) which created the so-called "European Enlightenment":
A good link on the great Islamic civilization and all its inventions: http://www.muslimheritage.com/
--Abdul-Rahman
And someone called ME simplistic in earlier comments, before we strayed off the main topic!
Your diatribes indicate that everything WESTERN as condemnable and evil while everything MUSLIM as excuseable and just NOT QUITE AS BAD.
And how is modern fundamentalist extremenism from Islam excuseable? How is it good for the world or Muslims? And why is the great silent majority of Muslims not embarrassed or angered by this distortion of their once great religion?
I like your use of colorful adjectives.
If you were American or European, your character would fit in well with the liberal crowd, not because of your specific views (although some of that would hold water), but because of your style of approach.
Your factual assumptions are just as enlightened.
In response to Robert, its not me alone who is condemning the West for their countless crimes resulting in the deaths of untold 100s of millions (100 million Natives were killed throughout the Americas in the largest genocide in human history) it is the facts recorded in history books that condemn the West!
On the pre-genocide (Holocaust) population numbers of the Americas refuting white racist genocide apologists and their sick allies; From: http://www2.hawaii.edu/~johnb/micro/m130/readings/stannard.html
Quote- You cannot expect that there will be immediate capitulation to an argument as laden with cultural and political controversy as this is. After all, the debate on the size of the American Indian populations has been going on for more than 30 years. However, over time the terms of the debate have changed dramatically. Thirty years ago, it was felt that the native population of North and South America was no more than 8 million to 10 million. Then Dobyns demonstrated that it was 100 million to 110 million. There's still debate, but now the low end of the debate is around 70 million. I think that's what will happen with my work. There will continue to be quibbling, but it will be about whether the population was 700,000 or 900,000 or 1 million. The lower numbers are going to be left in the wake.
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Also Professor David Stannard does a good job refuting other Native American genocide deniers in this work: http://books.google.com/books?id=JXN49vbz1B4C&pg=PA295&dq=David+Stannard+uniqueness&cd=1#v=onepage&q=David%20Stannard%20uniqueness&f=false
Also I never said I supported acts of groups like the so-called "al-Qaeda" (aka al-CIA-da) killing innocent people; I simply pointed out that these groups imperialist anti-Muslim criminals attempt to attack and defame Muslims with have their links with the Americans own "intelligence" services like the US CIA (to allegedly fight the "big, bad" Soviets back in the day i.e. a threat to US and Western imperialist global hegemony).
As for your Robert, if your real last name is "Rivero" I assume from your views (and attacks on "liberals") you are good "Latino" Uncle Tom that just loves whitey LOL! Or better yet I assume you play up that you are Spanish and had nothing to do with those alleged "dirty" Indigenous people the Spaniards raped and exterminated.
The Internet is CROWDED with Hurrahs and flag waving for the Israeli rescue and medical team in Haiti. The fact that there is little or no coverage for the Chinese, Russians, Cubans, Brazilians, South Africans,Icelanders, Turks, Portugese,Germans,Jordanians and others that sent National rescue and emergency teams, let alone the local fire and rescue teams from small British and American cities plus those unlikely countries that gave material and financial aid is a function of Israeli and Pro-Israeli Public Relations.
Pity, why try to look good by lying about other people being bad.No Class. No Manners.
you know you are being very biast against the muslim communities,this is not about which religion is the most generous,its about helping haiti.to critisise the amount of money is being donated is foolish...tell me personally how much money YOU have donated.its really dissapointinng to see that everytime someting like this happens islam gets drag down,and its the people with the least amount of knowlede on this religion are the 1st ones to attack it.so please could the main focus be about HELPING haiti because at the end of the day thats what really matter!
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